In Defense of John Boehner
It becomes clearer every day that Grover Norquist, not Barack Obama, defeated Mitt Romney in the last election.
Never before has such an incompetent and clueless president prevailed against such a successful leader and businessman, but Republicans are seen as a party locked into never raising taxes on anyone ever, regardless of circumstances.
Every poll shows that most voters, even the mostly uninformed, believe that we have reached the point where taxes should increase on the wealthiest among us, not only to raise revenue, but as a matter of fairness. (I have already pointed out that the upper 1% earn 20 % of total income and pay less taxes than the next lower income group.)
It has also become very clear that President Obama does not want to make any concessions on spending cuts and entitlement overhauls, and that only a grand bargain might achieve needed cuts. That’s what Boehner was attempting when the Tea Party adherents undermined and undercut his efforts. They pulled the rug out from under their leader. I was one of the Tea Party founders, and I support their efforts to rein-in government, but they have forgotten three things: 1. they are on the wrong side of the tax question, 2. in a democracy compromise is necessary, and, 3. we lost the election.
Tea Party Republicans are being blinded by ideology and are not facing facts as Speaker Boehner is attempting to do for the good of the country and for the good of the party.
Republicans Deemed Too Pro-Rich, 57% in Poll Want Change
By John McCormick - Dec 12, 2012 Bloomberg (excerpt)
"A majority of Americans say the Republican Party needs a major overhaul after electoral losses revealed demographic, messaging and technological shortfalls compared with Democrats, a Bloomberg National Poll shows.
Even among Republicans, just 16 percent say their party is fine and doesn’t need to change. The survey also shows the party is viewed as too protective of the wealthy and that New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has a slight edge among high-profile Republicans who may lead the party.
The party is reassessing its positions and tactics after losing the presidential race, failing to make gains in the U.S. Senate and seeing their House majority shrink after the 2012 elections. The Republican National Committee this week created a study group to examine how it can improve the party’s performance ahead of the 2014 congressional elections and 2016 race for the White House.
“They need to take some time and listen to middle-class America,” said poll participant Lisa Lee, 43, an office manager from New Milford, Pennsylvania. “At one time, I would have said that I was proud to be a Republican. I’m not so much anymore.”
She isn’t alone. Republicans are assessing themselves less favorably than before the election. In this poll, 81 percent of them view their own party favorably, down from 89 percent in a Bloomberg poll in September.
Not Optimistic
Lee said she wants to see a “major overhaul” of the party, although she isn’t optimistic change can come in two or four years and reverse current electoral trends.
Exit polls of voters in the Nov. 6 election showed President Barack Obama dominated Republican challenger Mitt Romney among single women, Hispanics, blacks and younger voters as the president carried eight of nine states both camps viewed as the most competitive. Republicans have also acknowledged Obama’s campaign utilized superior technological tools for online fundraising and voter turnout.
“For the Republican Party to broaden its base, they will need to change either what they value, or how they talk about what they value,” said J. Ann Selzer, president of Des Moines, Iowa-based Selzer & Co., which conducted the Dec. 7-10 poll. “What they are doing now is not winning.”
Among all Americans, 57 percent say the Republican Party needs a major overhaul, while 30 percent say modest modifications are needed and eight percent say no changes are necessary. The survey of 1,000 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points on the full sample.
Independents’ Voices
Independents, a critical voting bloc in presidential elections, also see a need for significant renovation of the Republican Party, with six in 10 taking that view. Among Republicans, a third say the party needs major change and nearly half say modest changes are needed.
Six in 10 Americans say Republicans have placed too much emphasis on protecting the wealthy from tax rate increases at the expense of pursuing the interests of those of more modest means, the poll shows. More than half of independents -- 58 percent -- hold that view.
Obama stoked that perception during his campaign this year against Romney. He continues to use the line of attack against congressional Republicans as he negotiates an agreement to avoid automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to take effect in January, the so-called fiscal cliff.
Poll participant Roy Vap, 61, a Republican corn and soybean farmer from Red Cloud, Nebraska, said he’s become disillusioned with his party in part because of the fiscal debate.
Compromises Required
“They are on the wrong path,” he said of Republicans. “The stonewalling on the budget is silly. There has to be some give and take.”
Vap said his party doesn’t seem to do as good a job communicating with voters compared with Democrats.
“It just appears the Republicans are out of touch,” he said. “Somehow voters have come away with the idea that the Republicans are the party of the rich. Maybe it is repacking the message or moderating their message a bit.”
More than three-quarters of Americas say outside groups, such as those that spent more than $600 million to try to influence this year’s election, should be required to disclose their donors and that Congress should change the law.
One area of concern for Republicans has been primary contests that result in candidates with more extreme views than the general public because the nomination process is dominated by the most zealous partisans."
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If Tea Party Republicans refuse to compromise and we go over the fiscal cliff because of their intransigence, the public will correctly place the blame squarely at the feet of the Republican Party. It's already being called the party of "No". If it continues to do nothing but obstruct, it will become the party of "No support".
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Let's tax the rich into submission. Tax until it really hurts. Make them start jumping off buildings. OK. So then what do all you small thinkers do when you finally wake up and realize the problem has not gone away? We are still 16 trillion plus in debt and heading for 20 trillion. Does it give you any personal satisfaction knowing that you have gotten even with those filthy rich guys and now we have "fairness".
Wake up. The problem isn't "fairness". Didn't you learn at a very early age that the world isn't "fair". Deal with it. Make the most out of your own life and don't be envious of those who have more wealth.
We conservatives often complain that liberals are ruled by their ideology and ignore facts. I am learning that many conservatives have the same mentality.
You just don't get it and I feel sorry for you. Unfortuanely, so many others do not get it either. That's why we have Obama and a country that is out of control. People are clueless.
He's right though Russ. The problem is spending. What the heck good will it do to tax the rich more if we can't control the spending. You know what the problem is with these Democrats? They absolutely do not know how to set up a sensible budget. Republicans do. Democrats just want to take care of the folks in the same way that farmer Brown feeds his chickens. A lot of these dumb voters who consistently vote these scum bags back into office just want free hand outs. They're so stupid that they think manual training is a Portuguee. Half of them are so stupid that they don't even know who the vice president is. Personally, I'm trying to forget, but I digress.
Obama doesn't give a rat's butt if we go over the fiscal cliff. Heck he hates this country so much that he'd be tickled pink if a Communist country came in and took us over. If you want my opinion, I think that leaky Jack Boehner will have a good reason to cry and it won't be because he's so happy to be the Speaker of the House. Right now he's wishing he'd have stayed a peon like the rest of them. You can't bargain with an inept,arrogant,narcissistic fool like that idiot sitting in the WH. His motto is, "It's my way or the highway." Right now he's sitting comfortably in Hawaii on our dime. Time is running out and he should be doing the job that he's being paid to do, but he's in Hawaii right now so what's that tell you about him? He's certainly not worried about fiscal cliffs. How to make a long putt on a slightly sloped green, yes, but not cliffs.
This guy sets up committees and he ignores their advice.
I think the GOP should just sit back and let these bastards take us over the cliff. Let's be like Greece and fight in the streets. Bite the bullet and let it happen. Sure. The Democrats are going to blame the Republicans. So what's new? Let it happen and we'll see where it takes us. Meanwhile. We need some good candidates for 2016. We don't need jerks like McCain unless we can dig up the "Rifleman". We need Reagan material. We also don't need to change our traditions to compete with Liberals. Why should we start emulating these far Left scumbags? Let God deal with70641 them when they draw their last breath on this earth.
Since some legal and ilegal US citizens pay no income tax, in the goal to achieve "fairness" lets have all people living in this country pay SOME income tax. We all need to have skin in the game before we go after just the so called rich folks. I love how some people have taken the Obama bait and are pushing for income redistribution. Of course, they want to redistribute OTHER peoples' wealth, not their own. That wouldn't be "fair" would it.
Anonymous, you should read:
http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/EITC,-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit,-Questions-and-Answers
and also
http://forthegrandchildren.blogspot.com/2012/12/dont-let-ideology-blind-you.html
I used to feel the way you do until I became aware of the facts behind the so-called 47%.
Yes, I know there are valid reasons why some people pay no income tax. But to push the irrational argument of asking the rich to pay more, I'm saying let's be totally wrong and ask everyone to pay. Children selling lemonade, newpaper boys, girl scouts selling cookies, old folks living only on social security, all those making less than 10K. That would be "fair". After all, every enjoys the many benefits of living in the USA.
But, there is nothing stopping those who feel that they are under taxed and not paying their "fair" share to send in a big check to the US Treasury.I'm sure there are a lot of very concerned "fair share" people who participate in that exercise. Cut the crap with this taxing the rich. It's getting real old. Time to talk about the real problem and everyone knows what it is. It's SPENDING. The Federal government spends too much and giving them more tax revenue is like giving an alcoholic a gift card to the local liquor store.
It was said, "I have already pointed out that the upper 1% earn 20 % of total income and pay less taxes than the next lower income group."
And it was recognized that there could be good reason for that.
Then it was said in reply,"I'm saying let's be totally wrong and ask everyone to pay."
What is wrong with everyone paying something? Maybe then they will demand honesty among politicians?
To say fairness requires those with more to pay more is at the heart of Marxist teachings, that is, 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
Understand that is stealing. I guess you do not believe in the 10 commandments?
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